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Jonas lives in a highly structured community. Which of its various ceremonies, customs, and rules do you find the most beneficial for the characters? Are there any you think might be harmful? Give your opinion about the overall effects of living in such a community.
Jonas lives in a highly structured community. Which of its various ceremonies, customs, and rules do you find the most beneficial for the characters? Are there any you think might be harmful? Give your opinion about the overall effects of living in such a
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One rule I think is beneficial for the characters is that they have to use correct grammar otherwise they get punished. This makes them all speak very well. Another rule I think is beneficial is they all have to be polite, like if they are late they have to apologize and the class has to accept. One example of this is when Asher was late for class ‘“ I apologize to my classmates,” Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. “We accept your apology, Asher.” The class recited the standard response in unison.” This rule prevents children and adults from being rude to others, and makes the community more pleasant. Last but not least I think the rule that says you can not point out that someone is different is beneficial to the characters in the book. I think it is beneficial to the characters because this way no one can bully each other, and all the children can get along nicely together.
One of the rules that I think could be harmful to the characters in the book is the sharing your feelings after evening meal. Sometimes people just want to keep things to themselves. Like when Jonas didn't want to share his feelings “ This evening he almost would have preferred to keep his feelings hidden” if you make every one share everything it could scar them for life. Sometimes things are private, or they should figure out a problem on there own. If everyone helps solve a problem, then when they are older they will have trouble solving problems.
Those are some rules that I think are beneficial to the characters in the book and some that are not.
I agree with some of your information. However some of your information is incorrect. For example, when you were talking about when his family talks about their feelings that could be either beneficial or harmful, and its their choice to share. Also when they don't speak with correct grammar they don't get punished...just corrected.
DeleteI agree with your information, but I don't agree that sharing feelings at the evening meal is completely harmful.
DeleteI agree with you, but why else is the feelings period harmful?
DeleteI don't agree that punishment for making a mistake in grammar in beneficial because its a small deal and a silly mistake.
DeleteI agree with your response but I don't think think that the sharing your feelings at the evening meal is 100% right.
DeleteI agree that the telling of feelings is a harmful custom and that sometimes people just like to keep to themselves.
Deleteactually grammar is a bid deal, when you are little and you make a grammar mistake you get whacked, like when Asher kept on saying smack instead of snack
DeleteIn the community Jonas lives in there are ceremonies, customs, and rules that are beneficial and harmful for the characters. One ceremony that is good for the characters is the ceremony of the nine. In the ceremony of the nine they get bikes. This is good for the community because it gives all those kids something to do and a way to get around. A ceremony that is harmful is the ceremony of the twelve. The ceremony of twelve causes lots of nervousness and anxiety. “I was very impatient, waiting for the ceremony of twelve. It’s a long two days.” It is also bad because people could be stuck with an elder they absolutely hate and can’t change it and you're friend could get the best elder which just makes everything worse. I think the rule that says you can only have one boy and one girl. If you have twin boys than you have to get rid of one of them. This is bad because the one you kept could be awful and you will regret it forever. One thing that is good is that on the loudspeaker you can not single out one person. “No one had mentioned it, not even his parents, because public announcement had been sufficient to produce the appropriate remorse.” That is how in Jonas’s community ceremonies, rules, and customs could be beneficial and harmful.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your information i think it supports your paragraph.
DeleteI agree with you completely the loud speaker rule is a good rule
DeleteNice job Adam! I totally agree with you! Why do you think the loudspeaker rule is a good rule?
DeleteI agree with you it would really stink to get stuck with an elder you dislike and have your friend get an elder that is really nice.
DeleteI agree with you but why else are the speakers good
DeleteI like how you give quotes about how Jonas is feeling when his ceremony of 12 is coming up.
DeleteI agree with your info, and I think that it is bad to be paired with a bad elder and having A friend that has a good elder and brags about it.
DeleteI agree with you that the loudspeaker rule is a beneficial one. It would be very embarrassing to have a announcement that talked just to you about what you did wrong in front of the whole community.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community. There are many ceremonies, customs, and rules. Some of which are beneficial and some are harmful.
ReplyDeleteOne rule I think is beneficial is that they all have to be polite, for example if they are late to class they have to apologize to the class and the class has to accept. One example of this is when Asher, Jonas's friend was late for class ‘“ I apologize to my classmates,” Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. “We accept your apology, Asher.” The class recited the standard response in unison.” Another rule I thought was beneficial was that they learn to use correct grammar. For example when Asher was apologizing to the class he used the word "Distraught," this word was not used correctly when Asher was speaking. One last rule I think is beneficial to Jonas and Lily is that after every meal their family has a ritual where they express their feelings...they call it the "evening telling of feelings." I like that rule because it shows Jonas and Lily to express their feelings. They have the choice to tell about their feeling. It helps them to learn about ways to resolve their problems and to talk about their negative feelings. Lily tells her family about her negative feeling towards a boy from another community. Lily told her family she was frustrated. Her parents explained to her that he probably didn't know the rules for their community. Her mother said to her, "'Do you think it's possible that their rules may be different? And so they simply didn't know what your play area rules were.' Lily shrugged 'I suppose.'...'When we were Sixes, we went and shared a whole school day with a group of Sixes in their community.' 'How did you feel when you were there?' Lily frowned. 'I felt strange. Because their methods were different...' Father was listening with interest.'I'm thinking Lily,' he said, 'about the boy who didn’t obey the rules today. Do you think it’s possible that he felt strange and stupid, being in a new place with rules that he didn’t know about?’...How do you feel now Lily?’ Father asked. ‘Still angry?’ ‘I guess not,’ Lily decided. ‘I guess I feel sorry for him And sorry I made a fist.’ She grinned.” There are things where Jonas lives that will be very beneficial to him later on.
There are things about where Jonas lives that will be harmful to him. I think that it isn’t right that when they are twelves they get their job chosen for them and they have no say in what is chosen for them. If the job the elders choose for them is not what they like its not fair that they have to have that job for their whole life. “Were any of the elevens disappointed, your year?’ Jonas asked. Unlike his father, he had no idea what his assignment would be. But he knew that some would disappoint him. Though he respected his father’s work, Nurturer would not be his wish. And he didn’t envy Laborers at all.” I think that could harm Jonas because there are things that he could end up having as a job that he has no interest in or isn’t comfortable doing. Another thing that could harm him is that they can only have two kids. The families should be able to chose how many kids they want to have. For example if they were allowed to have as many kids as they choose they would have kept Gabe. But because they can’t then as far as we have read....Gabe will be released. This leads to another thing that will be harmful, when a woman has a child, it should be their child. Also there shouldn’t be a certain amount of ladies that have the children then they go to the child care center. Once they have the child it should be their child and any woman can have their own child.
There are things in Jonas’s community that can be beneficial and harmful to him.
I agree that the rule that requires people to be polite is beneficial to the people in the community. Do you think that they are polite because they want to or because they have to? I also agree that twelves should have a say in what there assignments are. I didn't really think about that before reading your response.
DeleteGreat job Sarah! I agree that it isn't right that at 12 they have there job's chosen for them. If they're not happy with their jobs it's not good. I think you should've added that 12 might be a little to young to work. Great job!!
DeleteI agree that it is harmful that the elders have to choose the assignment for them instead of choosing it themselves. Great job on the reasoning and quotes!
DeleteYour examples are wonderful. It states your opinion clearly. I think that the evening telling of feelings is a bit like in our community, when kids tell their parents their concerns, just more official.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community with various ceremonies, customs, and rules. Some of the ceremonies, customs, and rules in Jonas’ community are harmful and some are beneficial.
ReplyDeleteThe rule that dictates that all the kids will get their bicycles when they turn into a 9, is harmful because maybe one kid that is less than a 9 needs to go somewhere but has no one to take him/her there, but he/she can’t ride a bicycle there because they are not allowed to ride a bicycle until they are a 9. “‘I’d been teaching her to ride mine, even though technically I wasn’t supposed to.’”
The rule that says that you are supposed to eat only when you are hungry is beneficial because that way people eat food when they really need it so food is not wasted. “ATTENTION. THIS IS A REMINDER TO MALE ELEVENS THAT OBJECTS ARE NOT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RECREATION AREA AND THAT SNACKS ARE TO BE EATEN, NOT HOARDED”
Some of the rules, like the one of the bicycle, are harmful, but some of the rules, like the one of the food, are beneficial.
I agree that the rude about not wasting food is a good rule, however it is possible that some people need more food than they are given. There community probably uses a lot less food than people in the U.S. do.
DeleteI agree. You used a really good quote to prove what you were trying to say.
DeleteI agree with you that it is good that people in Jonas's community do not waste food and it is very beneficial.
DeleteI definitely agree with you! It is very harmful that a young child can't take themselves places even in an emergency because of a silly rule. But, maybe that rule has an important purpose?
DeleteThere are lots of ceremonies, customs, and rules that are beneficial to the people in Jonas’s community. The one I find most beneficial is the Ceremony of the Twelve. In the ceremony, you receive your assignment which you will do for the rest of your life. They are also very fun. “The ceremony of the twelve is always noisy and fun.” One that I find harmful is the feelings time. People should have the right to keep secrets and or feelings from their parents. That is the ceremony that I find most beneficial for the characters.
ReplyDeleteI agree. People have the right to keep their feelings to themselves, but it can also be beneficial because sharing feelings means that you can solve the bad ones.
DeleteI also agree that the ceremony of twelve is fun.
DeleteI agree with this, do you find anything harmful
DeleteI disagree that the evening telling of feelings is harmful because everyone gets a chance to connect and learn more about each other.
DeleteI agree that that the ceremony of 12 is a good and beneficial to a community members roll, but I disagree that the ceremony of feelings is harmful.
DeleteI agree that the ceremony of the twelve can be fun. I don't agree that the sharing time can be harmful. It is good to share your feelings and they aren't asking for the whole part of your feelings.
DeleteI agree that the Ceremony of Twelve is very importantt because it affects their future because what if they will be happy with it.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community with various ceremonies, and rules. Some of the things in his community are harmful and beneficial.
ReplyDeleteThere is a rule that at the ceremony of 12 that you get assigned a job. This is harmful because at age 12 you're to young to have a job and even if you did you should be able to pick it. Some jobs are good, some are bad.
In Jonas' community no food is ever wasted because all food is eaten not hoarded, and no food is ever taken out of the recreation area.
Jonas community is very secure with very secure and harmful rules.
I agree that twelve year olds are to young to get a job.
DeleteI agree that the rules are sometimes ridiculous and I think they should be changed.
DeleteWhat do you think are benificial to the characters?
Deletei think that some of the rituals that the people go through in jonas’s community are helpful, and some are not. one of the helpful rituals is the ceremony of twelve. this is helpful because they are given a role that helps the community and they know they have a purpose in their community. another helpful rule is that food is to be eaten when hungry and not hoarded. this helps conserve food and makes sure it isn't wasted.
ReplyDeleteone harmful rule is that planes are not allowed to fly overhead, and when one did, it caused mass panic and fear. this is harmful because you want to have as little fear as possible. it can also provide a birds eye view of the grounds below. these are the harmful and helpful parts of jonas’s community
Wouldn't it be better if people would be able to make their own choices? I agree about the airplane rule: it has an anti-effect.
DeleteI agree that the plane rule causes panic and fear but i think it would be better if people got to choose what they wanted to be temselves
DeleteJonas lives in a community with many rules, ceremonies, and customs. I think that the rule that requires you to be polite is a good rule. It is very beneficial for the people in the community. "I apologize to my classmates,” This is an example of someone being very polite. Apologizing is a lot better than making an excuse. In the community, kids are taught to always be polite. When they grow up they are good, well mannered people. Since there is no insults people do not fight or have a reason to do something that could harm someone. People understand that being rude is against the rules and that there are punishments for doing it. People in the community probably wouldn't even think about taking an extreme action such as violence. Also, everyone feels respected because people in the community is nice to them. Everyone always being nice creates a friendly and safe atmosphere within the community.
ReplyDeleteI believe that having such strict rules in the community is not beneficial for the people, especially children, in the community. People may want to try something new that they can not try because it is not there assignment. In the community, you basically have your life planned for you, instead of being able to make your own decisions. Even though the community is very friendly and polite, a lot of what goes on in the community is forced. I think that if people have very little freedom they will not live a very exciting life.
Overall I think that life in the community sounds okay but not very exciting. I think that because of all the strict rules people there are not very unique. Life in the community is very repetitive. Everyone knows exactly how to respond when someone preforms a ritual because they are trained to say a specific sentence, and they have said it many times. Adults there do the same thing every day. Children have options, but not very many. Elders have a relaxing life, which they like. I think that it would be beneficial to let people have some freedom. The community could offer different activities that would be open to everyone.
I totally agree with you. People in the community have no freedom what so ever. So there whole life is planned out and they never get to try new things. That could be harmful to many people
DeleteI agree with on how people in the community need more freedom. It isn't fair to them and they deserve to have more space. I also agree that you have your life planned out for you because it's true. Once you turn 12, you get your job that you will have for the rest of your life, and for some children, that can be a really big step.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community. The community has many customs and rules. Some can benefit the people in the community, and some don’t help the people. The evening sharing time can benefit Jonas and his family. It helps him feel better when he shares his feelings. The Ceremony of the Twelve can benefit him sometimes. He gets his assignment and knows what he is going to do when he grows up. It also can be bad for him because he isn’t allowed to chose what his job is going to be. One rule that can be harmful is the rule where whenever they say something incorrectly, they get hit with the discipline wand. Another rule that is harmful to the citizens is the rule about being released. If a newborn is not showing signs of good health when the Nurturers are raising him or her, they release the child. Everybody stays the safe but they make everybody the same. It can be bad though because nobody can be special. That is the overall effect of living in a community.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the discipline wand rule is harmful but how else would they Know discipline if that rule wasn't in place
DeleteI agree that is not fair that they release newborns if they don't have signs of good health because it's not their fault. But I disagree about the ceremonies, I think that the ceremony of twelve is not beneficial in any ways because you can't choose your job and if you get a job you like, you could have got it without the ceremony too, so it's not beneficial.
DeleteI agree that the discipline wand is very harmful. Kids can learn how to use proper grammar without being hit.
DeleteIn Jonas's community, there are many various ceremonies, customs, and rules. These rules all have a beneficial side to them, but some have a harmful side to them. One custom that is beneficial is that the school kids have to apologize and give an explanation if they are late. "'I apologize to my classmates.' Asher concluded"..."'We accept your apology, Asher.'" This teaches the kids how to be polite and honest. A rule that is both harmful and beneficial is the evening telling of feelings. It is beneficial because sharing your feelings can help you solve the bad ones and get your emotions out, which can help you avoid over-exited or very angry feelings. "'How do you feel now, Lily?..Still angry?'..."'I guess not', Lily decided.'I guess I feel a little sorry for him.'" However, it is harmful because some feelings can make you feel embarrassed if you share them. "... he wasn't eager to go through the process of sifting through his own complicated emotions..." The rule of families not being able to have their own kids is harmful. "Two children-one male, one female-to each family unit. It was written very clearly in the rules." Parents should have the right to have their own kids, and stay with their own kids. A beneficial ceremony is the Ceremony of Twelve. Here, you get an Assignment in the community, which will teach you knowledge and responsibility, but also benefit the community. "The Ceremony of Twelve is the last of the ceremonies. The most important."...'Whats important is the preparation for adult life, and the training you'll receive in your Assignment.' One last rule I find harmful is that all children are given bicycles at the age of 9. "The children all received their bicycles at Nine". The children should be given the privilage of a bicycle based on how responsible and mature the child is, not on age. If a bicycle is given to a silly child who has no idea how to safely handle the bike, he/she could be putting the community in danger. These are harmful and beneficial rules/customs/ceremonies in Jonas's community.
ReplyDeleteIn Jonas’s community there are various ceremonies, customs, and rules that are beneficial and harmful. One beneficial rule is that you can eat only when your only hungry, this way you don’t waste the food. A rule that I think is harmful is the, telling your feeling rule. I think this is harmful because there might be a personal conflict that you don't want your family to know or secrets. “This evening he almost would have preferred to keep his feelings hidden. But it was, of course, against the rules”. Another rule that I think is beneficial is being polite. I think this rule is beneficial because you're never rude and you always have to be nice. These are example on how Jonas’s community rules are harmful and beneficial.
ReplyDeleteI agree that eating only when you are hungry is a good rule not only because you don't waste food, but also because everyone can get the same amount.
DeleteI agree that being polite is beneficial because then there is no disrespect in between people in the community. This is good because it doesn't create issues.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community where there are various ceremonies, customs and rules that are both beneficial and harmful to the characters. One of the rules are that you have to apologize to everyone even if you break a rule and you have to accept every apology. “‘I apologize to my classmates’ Asher concluded. He smoothed his crumpled tunic sat down. 'We accept your apology Asher.' We recited." This shows that you have to embarrass your self in front of people for small mistakes which is harmful to the way you think of yourself. The rule that you have to accept the apology is good and bad. It is good because it teaches you to forgive and accept, two very important social traits. The fact that you have to accept everyones apology even if they don't deserve it means that you're being controlled and you don't have choices of what you say. I think the ceremonies are a very harmful thing because you get a job at the age of twelve so you don't get to enjoy your childhood. also you get a bike at the age of nine so again you have no real choices. This is why Jonas lives in a place that's both good and bad.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that the apology rule is harmful but I think that if you don't like apologizing then you shouldn't do anything to make you have to apologize.
DeleteI agree that getting a job at the age of twelve doesn't give you much time to enjoy your childhood. I also agree that they shouldn't make you recite the apology in front of the class because it can be embarrasing.
DeleteI don't understand why the apology is harmful still... but I definitely agree with your disagreement for getting a job at Twelve. Kids our age should not worry about getting a job.We should play and be happy.
DeleteI agree that getting a job at the age of twelve, and that that is a bad way of enjoying your childhood.
DeleteI agree with you that the Ceremony of Twelve is a harmful thing. Who would want someone to choose your assignment for you? However I disagree about the apology rule. I think that it is a good thing since you can learn from your mistakes. Do you agree?
DeleteI agree that getting a job at Twelve is not a good idea, because you won't be able to enjoy your childhood, and I also don't think that all Twelves are mature or up to the specific job.
DeleteIn Jonas's community they have various customs, ceremonies, and rules. The ceremony that I find to be the most beneficial is the Ceremony of Twelve because that is when you get your Assignment. Your Assignment is your future job that you start training for when you turn twelve. The most harmful ritual is the Evening Sharing of Feelings. this is harmful because if you do not want to share your feelings you shouldn't have to. These are the most beneficial and the most harmful ceremonies that take place in Jonas's community.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the ceremony of 12 is beneficial. I think this because it helps you feel more like an adult and become more independent and mature.
DeleteI partially agree that the Ceremony of Twelve is beneficial, because you will be prepared for your future job, and become more responsible. However, I also don't think that forcing you to undertake a job, of which you can't decide, is giving you much freedom.
DeleteI agree that the ritual of the Evening Sharing of Feelings can be harmful because sometimes sombodies feelings can be very complexed (like Jonas) instead of others which are just happy,sad, or angry.
DeleteI agree that getting a job at the age of twelve doesn't give you much time to enjoy your childhood. I also agree that they shouldn't make you recite the apology in front of the class because it can be embarrasing.
ReplyDeleteI think sharing feelings and strictness about the term release are beneficial. Sharing feeling can help people connect to others in a way so they don't fight as much. " 'And sorry I made a fist.' " She grinned." This quote shows that the evening telling of feeling is beneficial to stopping violence. Strictness about the term release is good because it makes sure kids aren't making each other feel scared. "He'd been taken aside for a brief and serious talk with the coach, had hung his head with guilt and embarrassment , and apologized to Asher after the game." This quote shows that Jonas felt bad after making Asher feel bad and learning never to use the term release to spare others fear. One harmful rule in the community is release. Children learn to fear it and never color outside the lines because once you've had three transgressions, you were to be released. "For a contributing citizen to be released from the community was a final decision, a terrible punishment, an overwhelming statement of failure." This must be on children, such as Jonas's minds a lot if it is considered a punishment. This is bad because they live in fear and don't get to enjoy life. I think the benefits in Jonas's community over rule the harm so overall, Jonas lives in a beneficial community.
ReplyDeleteTal, I really love what you wrote!I loved the metaphor that you used when you said"color outside the lines". I also never really thought about it that way. I don't really agree with what you said about sharing feelings though because sometimes it can be uncomfortable and kids don't want to share their feelings. I think they should have the option not to share. Great job!
DeleteI agree very much that it is a good thing to share your feelings with others, and that it can stop violence. I partly disagree with you about the rule about being released. I also think that it is an important custom, but what do you think would happen if some children don't remember to fear it? Could that happen? How would they survive?
DeleteIn Jonas's community they have many customs, ceremonies, and rules. One rule in the community that is beneficial to the community is that everyone must be polite. "I apologize for inconveniencing my learning community,' Asher ran through the standard apology phase rapidly, still catching his breath." That is an example of that is an example of how they teach the people of the community to be polite and I think it's an important rule. When they get older, they will be mature and respectful and being polite will almost be a habit. I also think the rule about using correct grammar is very important. When Asher used the word "distraught" wrong is teacher corrected him. I think that's a good rule because when they get older they will use correct grammar and seem more proper. Another rule I think is beneficial to the community is that they all keep each other safe. "Loss of a child is very, very rare. The community is extraordinarily safe, each citizen watchful and protective of all children." With a rule like that it'll be less likely for children to get lost or die, so people can live a longer life.
ReplyDeleteOne custom that I think is beneficial and not beneficial to the community is that they should not be rude. Of course, you should never be rude to people because then people won't like you and won't respect you. But this community takes this rule to an extreme. "No one mentioned such things;it was not a rule, but it was considered rude to call attention to things that were unsettling or different about individuals." You should point differences out meanly, but having differences makes us unique and having differences are good.
Some rules, ceremonies, and customs in Jonas's community are not very beneficial. One rule that I don't think is very beneficial to the community is that they don't have any choices. The community tells them when and what to do, for everything. What to eat, how much to eat, what there Assignments are, how many kids they can have, what gender there kids are, who to marry, what clothes you wear, when you ride your bike,how you wear your hair, and so much more. They are controlled by the community and have no choice on what to do. When they are adults they don't grow responsible and independent enough. Another rule in Jonas's community that I do not think is very beneficial is that they have to share their feelings at the evening telling of feelings. While kids should be able to share there feelings with there family, if they feel uncomfortable they shouldn't have to do it. "...he wasn't eager to begin the process of sifting through his own complicated emotions, even with the help he knew his parents would give." Sometimes sharing feelings can even make you feel worse. Sharing feelings with family members can be uncomfortable, so you should have the option of not sharing your feelings. In Jonas's community they have many rules, customs, and ceremonies, some that I agree with and some not.
"I agree that the word usage/grammer in Jonas' community is very strict as well as with the other rules."
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I really liked how you said that having differences are good. It would be boring if everybody in the world was the exact same. However, negative differences shouldn't be stated aloud because it can be very hurtful to the person.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community in which some of its ceremonies, customs, and rules are unfair or fair.
ReplyDeleteOne of the beneficial ritual is that there is this time in the evening in which where you have to say your feelings with your parents. This is beneficial because if you are being bullied or having a hard time, during this hour, (if you choose to) you can tell them about how you feel and your parents could help you sort these out. An example from the story is’”It was one of the rituals, the evening telling of feelings. Sometimes Jonas and his sister, Lily, argued over turns, over who
would get to go first. Their parents, of course, were part of the ritual; they, too, told their feelings each evening. But like all parents all adults--they didn't fight and wheedle for their turn.”
A harmful custom is that all the children are adopted. None of the have their original mothers or fathers. This is bad because the kids and their parents cannot be bonded. For instance, in the book, it says,“Two children one male, one female to each family unit. It was written very clearly in the rules.” These are some of the beneficial and harmful rules/customs/ceremonies of the ritual.
Jonas lives in a highly structured community. There are many beneficial ceremonies, customs, and rules. However some of these customs can be harmful too. One custom that I find most beneficial for the characters is the fact that, at the evening meal, Jonas’s family shares their feelings that they had throughout the whole day. “ ‘I felt very angry this afternoon,’ Lily announced. ‘My Childcare group was at the play area, and we had a visiting group of Sevens, and they didn’t obey the rules at all.’... Mother nodded. ‘Do you think it’s possible that their rules may be different? And so they simply didn’t know what your play area rules were?’ Lily shrugged, and nodded. ‘I suppose.’ ... ‘How do you feel now, Lily?’ Father asked. ‘Still angry?’ ‘I guess not,’ Lily decided.” This is a good rule because it helps you calm down and feel better about your day. It is always good to relax, especially if you are feeling angry or sad. Another custom that I find most beneficial, is if anyone in the community is being rude or impolite, they have to apologize. “ ‘I apologize for inconveniencing my learning community.’ Asher ran through the standard apology phrase rapidly, still catching his breath.” By apologizing any time they do something wrong, it helps people learn to use their manners, and be polite. This rule is also good because by saying sorry you will usually remember not to do whatever was done wrong again. I think one harmful rule is the rule when the children become Eights, and their comfort objects are taken away, and recycled to the younger kids. “ ‘Lily,’ her mother said fondly, ‘you’re very close to being an Eight, and when you’re an Eight, your comfort object will be taken away.’ ” This is not a very good rule because it is sad to have something that you love taken away from you. It’s like losing half of your heart, and having all of your happiness released from your body. Besides, most people like to keep their most beloved treasure (sometimes stuffed animals) until they are older. The rule about having anyone who doesn’t obey the rules released, is also a very depressing rule. No one deserves to be released, and to have nowhere to live and no food to eat. This is especially upsetting when a newborn child is released. It’s not like they can even control it, not being healthy, or not being as fast a learner as the other newborns. A last custom that I find harmful is the Ceremony of Twelve. The ceremony itself isn’t very harmful, but it doesn’t seem fun to have the Elders choose your assignment for you. Also it’s not fun since you don’t have much free time, because of your newly assigned job, to do what you want after you become a Twelve, and no age after Twelve is important. Most people even forget how old they are! Doesn’t everyone enjoy celebrating their birthday? In the community that Jonas lives in, their are many rules and customs, both beneficial and harmful.
ReplyDeleteI like how you give good quotes about daily life in Jonas's community.
DeleteIn Jonas's community, there are a lot of rules, ceremonies, and lies. I think the most beneficial is how you don't choose your assignment, it is chosen to you to your greatest feats and accomplishments and just how your personality is. I think this is important because you shouldn't be doing something that your not good at for the rest of your life. This is another way out of the many that keeps the community in order and so called "perfect". Many things could go wrong if this wasn't a tradition. Since the people don't get money, the point of your assignment is to simply help the community function. However, one harmful custom is that the Nurturers harmfully release the newborns that won't cooperate or that are not functioning properly, for example, not sleeping soundly. The whole community is lying and saying that the released newborns and Olds go to Elsewhere. But they are actually injected with a serum that kills them, and then sent down into the same place the kids throw stuff away. So basically, the newborns and Olds are killed then sent down into a dump. The community is a very peaceful one and no one has felt pain like Jonas's has, but some of the stuff they do is just plain mean. I think the community going into sameness was not good at all. Which is why Jonas wanted to get away from the community and travel Elsewhere with Gabe, who was not sleeping soundly and was going to be released. The good benefits really help the community work, but the harmful parts make it sound like a torture facility.
ReplyDeleteI agree that sometimes they are plain brutal thats what I was thinking when I read the book, and had the same opinion as you.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly secure community, with harmful and safe rules. A safe rule it that the community is ready and alert. When Jonas saw the announcement about the plane flying overhead, the community was ready and alert. Being ready for any approaching problems is very safe way of living in a community. However a harmful rule is the ceremony of twelve. That isn't the best way to enjoy ones childhood at the age of twelve. Especially because some kids arn't ready or developed for their assignment. Jonas lives in a safe community, but some of the rules are harmful.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Gabe. he lives in a safe community. It is true that they are ready for anything
DeleteI agree that the community being prepared is good. If there is immediate danger, they will be ready.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community with many customs ceremonies and rules. I think the most beneficial rule is the ceremony of twelve. Although this rule doesn't let you live a childhood for a long time i determines what you are for the rest of your life and most of the time people are not disappointed with their job. This helps you have a job if you don't know what you want I think this ceremony is both good and bad. A bad custom is the apologies this can be embarrassing and also the small thing can change what you are the rest of your life and bringing more attention to that in my opinion is not a good idea. A good ritual is the morning telling of feelings which might help a family bond together more if they know what one another feels. Another bad ritual is no animals this can be a big nuisance on a community. They take the animals away because they eat their food but they themselves provide food like milk, meat or eggs. Overall Jonas lives in a safe community but it does have some major flaws and they are way too strict, but yet some rules can be good so Jonas's community is both good and bad, but mostly bad.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you how the Ceremony of the Twelve's is the most harmful. I agree with you because the kids get no say at all and whatever is picked, is their job forever.
DeleteIn the community Jonas lives in there are ceremonies, customs, and rules that are beneficial and harmful. One ceremony that is not harmful, is the ceremony of the nine. In the ceremony of the nine they get bikes. This gives the kids something to play with/ have fun with. Another is the evening feeling share time. This is not harmful because it helps you share your inner self. If you share feelings with people you trust, people won't spread false rumors. But if you don't trust them, then you shouldn't share your feelings with them.
ReplyDeleteA ceremony that is harmful to the people in the story is the ceremony of twelve. The ceremony of 12 causes so much stress. " I was very impatient, waiting for the ceremony of twelve. It’s a long two days.” When you get paired up with an elder that you don’t like, it just makes EVERYTHING worse. Especially when your friends have a friendly, nice elder and they brag and put it in your face. And also, they can't choose their assignment. That is how in Jonas’s community ceremonies, rules, and customs could be beneficial and harmful.
I agree with the fact that sharing your feelings help you feel better. I also agree that the ceremony of the twelve can cost streeeess
DeleteI like how you said that kids look forward to the Nine ceremony because the get bikes, but get stressed when nearing the Twelve ceremony. I also get stressed as I am getting older because I have new responsibilities.
DeleteI agree with your claim but i think that sharing feeling is harmful in a way because some people don't like to share there inner thoughts and the might want to keep them to themselves. Other than that i completely agree with everything you said
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community. Some of the ceremonies, rituals, and rules can be harmful. Some of them can benefit the people in the community. Some rules, ceremonies, or rituals that can be bad are the discipline wand, the Ceremony of the Twelve, and having to speak with proper grammar. The discipline wand is bad because it can cause fear in children and they might be more reluctant to go to school. The Ceremony of the Twelve can be beneficial to the people because when the children become a Twelve, they get to know what their assignment is going to be. The Ceremony of the Twelve can be bad because the Twelves don’t have a say in what their assignment is going to be. If a kid speaks something with improper grammar, they are punished. The Instructors should just correct them, not punish them. A rule that can help Jonas and his family is when after every meal, they share their feelings about their day. They call it the “evening telling of feelings,” This ritual is good because when you tell someone about the feelings of the day, it helps take a weight off your shoulders. Making this a ritual helps Jonas feel more comfortable sharing his feelings of the day. If Jonas shares a problem he had that day, his family can help him resolve it. ‘“ I apologize to my classmates,’ Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. ‘We accept your apology, Asher.’ The class recited the standard response in unison.’” When someone apologizes to someone, they respond that they accept his or her apology. This can help make people feel better when they have to apologize for a mistake they did.
ReplyDeleteLiving in a community can have a positive and a negative affect. The communities keep you safe and away from harm. Being released if you did something serious like the pilot did, is something that you didn't want to be. Jonas feels bad for Gabriel because he feels like if the newborn is released, he will never be able to enjoy community life. People who live in the communities will never starve because there isn't a shortage of food. Everybody is assigned a job so there won’t be shortages of jobs. Living in a community can be negative, too. There isn't any exciting activity to do. Once you get assigned a job, you already know that your life will be exactly the same as other people with the same job as you do. The job you are assigned is the only difference you will have to all the people in the community. There aren't any animals in the community. They believe that the animals the “comfort objects” represent are imaginary. Nobody in the community has seen a real elephant. Not seeing wildlife and almost having the same life as everyone else in the community doesn't allow imagination to spark.“'When we were Sixes, we went and shared a whole school day with a group of Sixes in their community.' 'How did you feel when you were there?' Lily frowned. 'I felt strange. Because their methods were different,’” Having no connection or ways of communicating with other communities doesn't allow ideas to go around. Most of the inventions we have today are helped by ideas of people on the other side of the planet. Living in a community can come with its ups-and-downs, just like living in the world we live in today.
I agree with how the discipline wand can be bad. Herting childrin is not good if they make a small mistake.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community. In this community there are ceremonies, customs, and rules that have to be followed. Some of these rules and customs are beneficial, but some are also harmful.
ReplyDeleteThese are some of the ceremonies, customs, and rules that I think are beneficial in Jonas’s community. One ceremony that is beneficial is the ceremony of the nines. I feel that this ceremony is a great chance for the nine year olds to show more responcibility yet still have fun on their new bikes. One rule that I think is beneficial is to apologize when disturbing a class. This rule is beneficial because it is rude to interrupt any class even if it was a mistake. Another ceremony I thought was benefitcial is the ceremony of the eights. Even though most of the eights are very sad about not getting a bike, they still get a jacket that shows them that they are learning more and new things. This jacket comes with little pockets to show that they can now be responsible with something little. Those are most of the rules, customs, and ceremonies that are beneficial in this community.
These are some of the ceremonies, customs, and rules that I think are harmful in Jonas’s community. One rule I think is harmful is the grammar rule. I think that this is harmful because if someone messes up grammar, they shouln’t get punished since it was just a mistake. One ceremony that I think is harmful is the ceremony of the twelves. This is harmful because the twelve year olds should choose what they want to do, not let someone else choose for them. Another reason it is harmful is because they have to do the same job they’re assigned until they get to the olds. Those are some of the rules,customs, and ceremonies that are harmful in this community.
Jonas lives in a highly structured community. He has a lot of rules he has to follow, but some of them are really important to him. The ceremony of 12 is the most important of all ceremonies. You may only get to live 12 years of your childhood, but you almost never get disappointed of the job the Elders peak for you. The Elders peak the job that they think is most right for you. That is not all of the ceremonies that Jonas’s community celebrates, they also do the ceremony of nine. The ceremony of nine is when a child the age of well, nine gets to start to learning how to ride a bike. I don't really think there is such a point in doing that except for the fact that there would be less accidents. Next is rules Jonas’s community has a lot of rules for ex. every time someone is late he has to apologise to the class. ‘“ I apologize to my classmates,” Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. “We accept your apology, Asher.” The class recited the standard response in unison.” Another rule is that you can't take food out of the Recreation area. “ATTENTION, THIS IS A REMINDER TO MALE ELEVENS THAT SNACKS ARE TO BE EATEN, NOT HOARDED.” For conclusion Jonas’s community is very strict and ordered.
ReplyDelete"I agree with you Itamer that the only thing that restricting bike use until the age of nine will only prevent accidents and injuries, but there is really no other point to it"
Delete---Joshua B.Lewis
I agree that the most important ceremony in Jonas's community is the ceremony of twelve, and also that his community is very strict and ordered.
DeleteThere are many ceremonies and rules I think are beneficial and harmful. A ceremony I think is beneficial is the ceremony of twelve. Even though it makes you have a short childhood, it helps you mentally mature faster. Also, it keeps you from worrying about what you will be and what you will do when you grow up. I think that the ritual of sharing your after the evening meal is also beneficial because it helps you to bond with you family. It also helps you not to store all your feeling up inside. When Jonas told his parents about him being apprehensive because of the ceremony of twelve and of what assignment he will be assigned to and if he will like it, they comforted him and reassured him. " 'There are rarely disappointments, Jonas. I don't think you need to worry about that,' his father reasuured him." Telling someone about your feelings can help a lot and take away a lot of stress and worries. Jonas peobably felt less apprehensive after he talked with his parents.
ReplyDeleteThere were many ceremonies and rules I thought were harmful. A rule I thought was harmful was the releases. Elders being released were okay because it was a "celebration for a life well and fully lived" but releases of a newchild is unfair and harmful. I don't think it's fair because those babies don't even get a chance to live a life that they deserve and should have. Some babies in our world that are unhealthy when they are first born, grow up to be very healthy and strong. I think that Jonas's community is too strict. There are many benefits to this community but there are also many harmful and unfair things about Jonas's community.
I agree that babies should be able to grow up and mature because eventually they will be healthy.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly structured community. In his community, there are many ceremonies, such as the ceremony of 12, and customs and rules that they must follow. The ceremony of 12 is a ceremony for those that are turning 12 in Jonas's community. It is a ritual that they do, and it is to be taken without joke of it. The elders of the community are very strict about it, so people have to follow the rules. it can be fair in a way because the rules that are given are rules that is probably what most of the community agrees to along with. The elders try to make the right decisions, so that everyone can agree upon the rules. On the other hand, it can be harmful or unfair because not everyone in the community can agree upon all of the rules and customs. Such as, what if some people feel uncomfortable, or maybe are reluctant to be following the customs and rules for their own purpose? It wouldn't be fair to force people to do so.
ReplyDeleteThe overall effects of living in such a community can be both a good thing, and a bad thing because some people may be the type of people that are comfortable to be sticking with the rules, and some may not.
I agree with you were you said "It is a ritual that they do, and it is to be taken without joke of it." I agree with you because that's what it said in the book. But I don't agree with you about it wouldn't be fair to force people to do so. At first I was confused but after I thought about as 2 different variables I got it my perspective that I thought of was robbing we force people not to rob, because it affects other people. But in this case it is not affecting other people so it could be thought of by the way you thought of it, but I understand where you are coming from.
DeleteDuring the course of the novel, The Giver, the main character, Jonas lives in a community where there are very strict rule set to benefit the everyone in the community. Some of these rules and regulations are either beneficial or harmful for everyone in the community.
ReplyDeleteOne of the rules that I think benefits the community is the restriction of the use of bikes until the age of nine. I think this benefits the community in the way that it prevents younger children from hurting themselves from a lack of coordination, skills,etc.
However, this can prevent some of the children from develeping their skills need for other activities such as driving and some activities that require the use of balance.
This is shown in chapter two.” The children received their bicycles at nine;they were not always allowed to ride bikes before then."One way that one of the rules does not benefit the community is the restriction of choosing what job one wanted. This can prove harmful to the Community in the way that even if the elders choose what their assignment will be, based on their strengths they could still not get the jobs that they Want. One of the worst rules in my opinion is that if babies don't meet mental and physical standards they will be released,exiled from the community. This is considered to be a terrible punishment to those released. This is just like the discrimination that has plagued our global community for a millenium. I believe that this system is totally unfair in all ways. I also think that assigning permanent vocations to young individuals is too overwhelming for growing and changing young individuals and may restrict them from having other things that they want to do with their life. First of all, someones’ interests and strengths may change as they mature and grow older and no longer have the interests and strengths to fulfill the roles need for their specific assignment. Second of all, I think that giving assignments to young and immature individuals in basically all ways a new job that they must take years to train for can be too much for them to undertake at that stage of their life. I think that this is too much for someone to undertake at the same time as their regular education at school. I also believe that having this grand ceremony puts elvens year olds in Jonas’ community under a great deal of pressure and anxiety for what their assignment will be as presented by the elders. This can also cause stress,anticipation angst,and worries about if they will get the assignment that they want for life. One rule that I find neither bad nor good, but unnecessary is the telling of feeling and telling of dreams rituals that all family members must undergo at night and in the morning daily. I feel that this is unnecessary and intrusive to other family members because they can have some private information that they might not want to divulge to others in his/her’s family. A rule that I feels is beneficial to the community is the no-fly zone above the community.This can keep the community safe from airplanes that are too low to the ground. I also agree with the regulation of sending everyone into the closest building for protection if there is any danger lurking about in the sky. However, one aspect of this rule that I dislike is that if the pilot that is/was flying the plane will most likely be released from the community for doing this. I think that this punishment is too harsh for the pilot ,especially if he/her flew over the community by mistake. The rule that I find most beneficial to the characters is the regulation of behavior in the community to others. This is shown as everyone (continued)
in the community is forced to apologize if they did something wrong and forced to self reflect as well as always accept apologies from other members of the community. This can benefit them in the way that it decreases potential violence,hatred and bullying amongst the members of the community. This can also help everyone stay in line and do what they are supposed to do in the community. One last rule that I think this somewhat “balanced” is the regulation of food. Everyone in the community gets the same amount of food, depending on their age, no more, no less. This makes sure no one in the community will become obese. However, no one in the community will starve either.
ReplyDeleteRules like this are most likely some of the most balanced rules in the community because of how fair they are. To conclude, there are many rules,regulations,customs, and ceremonies in Jonas’ community that are either harmful or beneficial to his existence.
---Joshua B. Lewis
n the highly structured community Jonas lives in, the ceremonies, customs, and rules are beneficial and harmful for the characters. One of the beneficial rules are that you have to be polite to one another. If you do something wrong in school, you apologize to the class & the teacher, and they have to accept your apology. This is beneficial because this way no one can be rude to each other which helps everyone become friends with each other. On page 4, Asher says, “I apologize to my classmates” and the class responds, “We accept your apology.” Another beneficial rule is that you must speak with proper grammar or you will be punished. This helps everyone understand each other and also speak very well. When Asher made a mistake by saying “smack” instead of “snack”, he was whipped until he could get it right. These are some beneficial rules in Jonas’s community.
ReplyDeleteIn Jonas’s community, there are also harmful rules & ceremonies. One of them is the Ceremony of 12’s. This is harmful because a person should be able to choose their own job, not have to do the job picked for them. If the person is given a job that he/she doesn’t want to do, the person will live the rest of their life in misery and have low self-esteem. Another harmful tradition is the telling of dreams and feelings. Sometimes people just want to be by themselves and keep their experiences to themselves. Also many people feel uncomfortable sharing their dreams or feelings because they might get embarrassed, even if it is just within their family. These are some rules, ceremonies, and customs that are beneficial and harmful in Jonas’s community.
I partially disagree. Wouldn't it be better if the corrections were verbal instead of incorrect grammar being punished by being hit with a stick? I partially agree with the Telling of Feelings being harmful. I think it should be encouraged, but not required.
DeleteJonas lives in a highly constructed community. The rule that I find most benificial to the characters are that you cant ride a bike till 9 years old. I find this most beinficial because young kids can get really hurt on the bikes if they fall. Also they could go crazy and crash into other people or buildings. Young kids are usually very hyper. One custom I think is harmful is that they are assigned their jobs. I think this because what if they don’t like their jobs or want to switch. People should do what they want not what other people think they should do. The overall affects of the community are bad. One way their bad is they dont know their “Birthmother.” Kids should know their real family not just random people they are paired up with. Another reason this really strict community is bad is that their not allowed to see planes. There is a “no fly zone if you fly over the community your released’ Planes help encourage thinking and creativity witch kids wont be able to have.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about the bike rule because I also think that little kids are not controlled enough to ride bikes everywhere.
DeleteI agree with you that it is the most beneficial that kids don't ride bikes till their 9 years old because they could fall off and get hurt. But I don't agree with you where you said " what if they don’t like their jobs or want to switch." I disagree with that because the people who give the assignments take close examination on where they will put the kid.
Delete*Elders assigned the assignments
DeleteIn Jonas’s community there are many different ceremonies, customs and rules. there are some that are beneficial and some that are harmful. One ceremony I think is the most beneficial is the ceremony of twelve. This is the most important ceremony, because this is when every Eleven gets their Assignment. The Assignment you get is very important and beneficial because it decides what your future will be. There is one downside of this, and that is that you don't get to choose what you will do for the rest of your life, and this is harmful because some people might not like their Assignment and they have to do it for the rest of their life. One rule that is beneficial for others in Jonas’s community is that everybody has to be polite. This is beneficial to everyone because it also makes the community calm and peaceful, and at the same time helping the person being polite because it is teaching the person to be kind to people. Another ‘“rule” states that it is disrespectful and rude to point out when someone is different from others. This is a very beneficial rule because is makes it so there will be no teasing or making fun of people and it also prevents bullying.
ReplyDeleteJonas’s community has beneficial rules and customs along with harmful ones. One harmful rule is that you are only allowed to get two children. This is harmful because well, its not good is it? Another rule that I think is harmful and terrible is that if a baby does not meet physical requirements needed for Newchildren they are released (killed). This is a very harmful rule because it affects people all over the community. For example, it affected Jonas’s family because his dad is a nurturer and does not like that the newchildren that he takes care of a released for no reason. It might also affect the Birthmothers, because they only make three babies. They don’t even know who the kids they gave birth to and that makes them think that the baby being released might be the one they made and that could make them think that they did their Assignment for nothing. One last “custom” that they have is the telling of the feelings every evening. Some people like to keep their thoughts to themselves. This can make them uncomfortable. I think that it is a good idea to share your feelings, but I think that people should have the chance to chose if they want to share or not. To conclude Jonas’s community has many beneficial and sometimes harmful rules, customs, and ceremonies.
Jonas lives in a highly structured community. A lot of their ceremonies, customs, and rules are different from the ones I have. They are both beneficial and harmful.
ReplyDeleteSome of them are very beneficial to the citizens. One beneficial ritual is the evening telling of feelings. It is beneficial because people can express their feelings and get feedback from their family members and learn how to deal with their feelings. For example, in chapter 1, Lily tells her family that she is angry at a boy from a visiting community who was not following the rules earlier that day. Her family helped her and reminded her that when she goes to other communities, she feels strange because they have different rules and that that is how the boy must feel. "'How do you feel now Lily?' Father asked. 'Still angry?' 'I guess not,' Lily decided. 'I guess I feel a little sorry for him. And sorry I made a fist.'" This really helped Lily get rid of her negative feelings from the day. Another beneficial rule in Jonas' community is politeness. Kids learn politeness at a young age in Jonas' community. One time, in chapter 1, Jonas said to his friend, "'That's it Asher! You're released!'" Jonas' coach talked with him because it is rude to say that to someone in the community. Also, on page 3, Asher was late to school and had to apologize to the whole class. Their community is very strong in politeness. They teach their citizens to respect others and apologize for bad actions. As you can tell, a lot of the rules, ceremonies, customs, and rituals are beneficial to the community. However, some are not.
Some ceremonies, customs, rules, and rituals are harmful to the community. One harmful, or unpleasant rule is that you are not allowed to bike until you are a nine. A lot of people in the community also feel it is unnecessary because a lot of older siblings secretly teach their siblings to ride. They should have the freedom to learn to bike whenever they feel comfortable doing so. Another harmful or unnecessary rule is you can only have two kids, one male and one female. In chapter 2 Jonas' mother says, "'The year we got Lily, we knew, of course, that we’d receive our female, because we’d made our application and been approved. But I’d been wondering and wondering what her name would be.'" Some parents may not feel comfortable taking care of 2 kids and some parents would like more kids. There are many harmful ceremonies, customs, rules, and rituals in Jonas's community that are harmful or unnecessary.
There is one ritual that I think could be either harmful or beneficial, and that is that citizens don't get to chose their own job. It is beneficial because it takes the stress off of kids to decide what their role will be, and leaves the elders to decide. However, it could also be harmful because some people may want to chose their own job and may not like what the elders assign them to.
Overall, I would not like to live in Jonas's community because the citizens have very little freedom, don't make many of their own decisions, and have to follow very strict rules.
I like how you said how some rules were unnecessary. Your example about how families can only have two kids when some people want more, or how some people want none at all is a strong example that shows how people in Jonas's community live life in a box. (not LITERALLY a box)
DeleteIn Jonas's community, there are many ceremonies, customs, and rules that can be beneficial and harmful one way, the other, or both.
ReplyDeleteOne rule I believe is beneficial is the fact that you have to apologize when you disrupt a class for being late. Asher had to apologize in the story, “'I apologize to my classmates,' Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. 'We accept your apology, Asher.' The class recited the standard response in unison.” This shows that Jonas's community is taught good manners and how to be polite. This is a benefit because it trains young children how to behave well so they can be well mannered adults. Being polite is a very useful skill that can be used to get jobs, make friends, and earn respect, all traits that Jonas's community favors well. One ceremony is beneficial and harmful at the same time. The Ceremony Of Twelve is where the community's Elders determine what assignments and futures all twelve year olds have. It is beneficial because you won't make a mistake in choosing a job that is wrong for you, since the Elders make the decisions based on your interests. It is harmful because it is possible the Elders will give you an assignment that you won't like. It is mostly harmful though, because you are deprived of free will and freedom and you can't determine your own future. Some people were quite surprised, “'My friend Yoshiko was surprised by her selection as Doctor,' Father said, 'but she was thrilled...'” Although the selections are somewhat a surprise, they could be good surprises or bad ones. Another custom that is both beneficial and harmful is the daily Feelings Talk at the conclusion of every meal. It is beneficial because by telling your feelings to your family, it can really help you feel less anxiety by telling someone your feelings. It is harmful because having some privacy is good. Sometimes you might not want to tell anyone your feelings. “His feelings were complicated this evening. He wanted to share them, but he wasn't eager to begin the process of sifting through his own complicated emotions, even with the help that he knew his parents could give.” This is why the Feelings Talk is a good and bad ritual. Jonas's community has its benefits and harms, but each rule, ceremony, and custom each have a purpose.
ReplyDeleteThe most beneficial ceremonies, customs, and rules are listed below.Jonas lives in a highly structured community. I think that the most important custom is to always accept other peoples apologies. I think that it is the most important custom because it teaches you how to move on, this could be very helpful because it helps release grudges. Asher Jones best friend is always late to class but when he apologizes the instructer forgives him along with the rest of the class instead of giving him detention or something. A quote from the book is ‘“ I apologize to my classmates,” Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. “We accept your apology, Asher.” The class recited the standard response in unison.” The most important rule in my opinion is the rule that you can't ride a bike until your nine years old. I think that this is an important rule because it keeps a lot of people safe from accidents, which is the most important thing safety. But this can also affect what skills that they need to develop, in the book it said that Asher's eye to hand coordination with was below average. So maybe ridding a bike could help many kids develop tools that they need in the future. A quote from the book is " Jones had casually picked up an apple.... Asher had thrown it back, and they had begun a simple game of catch. ..........It was effortless for Jones, even boring, though Asher enjoyed it , and playing catch was a required activity for Asher because it would improve his hand eye coordination, which was not up to standards." I think the ceremony where they get there 12th assignment, like Jones did for his age 12th assignment, which was to receive life assignment and start training for a job. I think that this is the most important ceremony because it is telling kids that you are transitioning from childhood to adulthood. A quote fro the book is "the Ceremony of Twelve was the last of the ceremony's. The most important."The most beneficial ceremonies, customs, and rules are listed above.
There are many ceremonies, customs, and rules that I find either beneficial or harmful. One rule that I find beneficial is the politeness rule where you can't be rude, you must be polite and you have to apologize when you do something wrong. This is beneficial to the community because it helps everyone to become a kind and caring person. Another rule that i find beneficial is food rule. The food rule sounds like you are not allowed to take food home and that means that you can't really waste food. this is a good rule because that means that people won't starve and there will not be a shortage of food. One rule that I find harmful is the rule where you can't brag because competing to be the best is part of childhood and life in general. Another rule that I find harmful is the assignment rule because even though the elders usually find the right assignment for you, I believe that you should be able to choose what you want your job to be and if you don't have the skills for that job, the elders then assign you a job. Those were some rules that I either felt were harmful or beneficial.
ReplyDeleteJonas lives in a very uniform community. The rules are clear and precise and are very strictly enforced. Some of these rules are beneficial and some rules are not.
ReplyDeleteRules and customs start at a very early age. New Children are produced by Birth Mothers then cared for by nurturers. The elders then name the New Children and assign them to family units (which are also created by the government). There are never two people in the community with the same name. I think that the women who give birth should be able to keep their babies. The people should also be able to mary who they want and be able to name their own children. “‘ He’s cute but I don’t really like his name,’” Fiona remarks about her new brothers name, Bruno. Another rule relating to families is that one family unit can not have more than two children, and one child is a boy and one is a girl. Familie should be able to have as many kids as they want of any gender: boys may want the company of other boys instead of that of a girl.
The children also have a ceremony each year. When you turn a certain age you get something (a haircut or coat for instance) that represents a new right or responsibility. For example, at age eight, children get a jacket with pockets, signifying that they are ready for taking care of their own possessions. In my opinion this is a good idea, though not absolutely necessary. This is a way children learn qualities that are important in life.
Like in our world, children go to school. Unlike in our schools, Jonas’s schools have very specific standards. For example a game of catch is “a required activity for Asher” because his “hand-eye coordination was not up to standard.” This rule is hard to judge. It is definitely the right idea, although having required activities may not be the best way to improve the lacking skills. In Jonas’s community precision of speech is very important. In fact, when children used the wrong words they were beaten. Correcting children is definitely right, but doing it physically is incorrect.
Another ritual that is different from our own is the Evening Telling of feelings. It is a good idea, although it should be encouraged but not required, as it may make people feel uncomfortable. The telling of dreams may also be uncomfortable because there are some dreams you would rather keep to yourself.
Yet another rule is to take pills for your “stirring”, or affection. This is definitely wrong because it takes away a vital part of a persons life.
The last rule I’ll discuss is the Assignment. The Elders give out the people’s assignment. Although they almost always make a good choice, people should be able to make their own choices about their future. The Elders could recommend a job, but not assign your career.
I agree that families should be able to have as many children as they want. It is unfair that the government is so controlling in this community.
DeleteJonas lives in a very highly structured community. I found many customs, rules and ceremonies very beneficial. The first one I found is that you must always be polite. When Asher was late to class, the teacher made him apologize to everyone, and they accepted. Another scenario when a character had to be polite was when Jonas’ father brought Gabe home. Lily was calling attention to how his eyes were different than hers. They were a lighter color. In their community, it is rude and informal to do that. “No one mentioned such things; it was not a rule, but it was considered rude to call attention to things that were unsettling or different about individuals.” Another custom that I found beneficial is the “evening telling of feelings.” I personally really like this because Jonas and Lily both get a way to express their feelings and concerns in a private way with the family. The third and final rule that I found beneficial is how the teachers and parents are so hard on all of the kids for their spelling and grammar. For example, when Asher said the word “distraught” it was the wrong word. His teacher corrected him and gave him the write word and in the future, this will help Asher and his confidence.
ReplyDeleteI also found that there were some rules, ceremonies, and customs that were harmful. The first and most important ceremony that is harmful is the ceremony on the twelve’s. I think that it is unfair and cruel to the 12 year olds. The elders pick their assignments and the children get no say. Whether they like the job that was picked or not, that is their job for the rest of their life and there is no way of changing it. Next, a harmful rule is that you can only have 2 kids, 1 boy and 1 girl. This rule is also unfair and cruel. If this rule wasn’t in place, Jonas and his family could’ve kept Gabe and make him part of their family. “Two children-one male-one female-to each family unit. To conclude, overall there are harmful and beneficial rules and customs in Jonas’s life and they make a very big impact on it.
Jonas lives in a highly structured community. In that community, there are many rules and rituals, some of which are harmful, others helpful. One helpful rule is that food can’t be hoarded, only eaten in the recreation area. This helps conserve food. there are many places in the world that are starving, even here in the US. A big reason for this is that food is wasted, all over the globe. this rule makes it so humans waste less food.
ReplyDeleteA harmful rule is that planes can’t fly overhead. Planes are normal and in a community where as little fear as possible, people should expect these things. “But the aircraft a year ago had been different. Adults as well as children-stop what they were doing and wait, confused, for an explanation of the frightening event.” Planes also can be good. They have a birds eye view and can spot trouble from up high, and they can inform guards down on the grounds.
In Jonas's highly structured community, there are many ceremonies, customs, and rules that can be beneficial and harmful, or even both.
ReplyDeleteSome are actually really beneficial. One beneficial rule is that you must apologize for being late, and that you must accept one’s apology. These rules teach you to be polite, and well-mannered. On page 4, paragraph 3, it says, “‘I apologize to my classmates,’ Asher concluded. He smoothed his rumpled tunic and sat down. We accept your apology, Asher,’ The class recited the standard response in unison.” Having good manners is ideal for social life and other interactions, such as jobs, friends, etc.
However, there are also harmful ceremonies, such as, the Ceremony of Twelve. It is harmful, because, you can not decide your own future, instead you are forced to undertake a job that is given to you, at the age of twelve. Not all Twelves will be mature or up to that specific job. I don’t think you are given much freedom, to make decisions for yourself. You might even be surprised or shocked at what you got. On page 16, paragraph 7, it said, “‘My friend Yoshiko was surprised by her selection as Doctor, ‘Father said...” So this means you’re not always going to obtain the job you had wished for.
Overall, I think that Jonas’s community is very strict and orderly, with specific and firm ceremonies, customs, and rules. I would not enjoy living in it, because you are given very little freedom, and often can’t make your own decisions.
In Jonas's Community they have a variety of rules and customs that can be very beneficial to them. One thing that I think that is benificial is when the children are certain which assignment they want to get. And then they start to volunteer in that assignment. And when the Elders observe the the soon to be twelves during the Ceremony of Twelve, they can see how hard you worked to try to get that assignment.
ReplyDeleteI disagree that the children are sure what assignment they will get. They can work volunteer hours at a specific plane to try and get one assignment, but that doesn't mean that they will get that assignment for sure.
DeleteThere are many customs and rules in Jonas' community that are both beneficial and harmful. During the evening meal, the families tell each other the feelings that they had during the day. This is beneficial because no one will be left with a heavy, troubling secret. Telling all feelings to others is a good way of everyone cooperating with one another and helping them. However, this custom could also just as easily be harmful, because it is easy to become embarrassed by a thought or feeling that you didn't want to share, but have to.
ReplyDeleteAnother ceremony that I believe is beneficial is the Ceremony of Eight. When they become an Eight, they start being able to influence their future assignment by working volunteer hours. This is beneficial because they start to learn the rules and importance of what they will do when they become a Twelve. However, this could also be harmful because they have a large leap in responsibility all at once, and some might have trouble deciding where to spend their extra time, so that they might not complete the required number of hours, therefore being punished.
The requirement of proper language is also very beneficial. Language is the most important skill to have in a community. No matter where you go, or what you do, everything will all come down to words. Asher regularly has problems with words, but he learns proper language fast due to his teachers not ever allowing a mishap to go unnoticed. " Jonas was very careful about language. Not like his friend, Asher, who talked to fast and mixed things up, scrambling words and phrases until they were barely recognizable and often very funny." Jonas was highly skilled in language, always waiting to to speak until exactly the right word came to him.
Overall, Jonas' community is very well structured and smoothly run. This causes everyone to have exactly what they need, and people share with one another. There is no pollution from cars, because everyone is given a bike at age nine. So far, problems of fighting and money have not been mentioned. This is what an ideal community should look like, with everyone knowing exactly what their place is, and not interfering with others paths.
These are the reasons why Jonas' community and their customs are both harmful and beneficial.